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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2016, 23:07:28 »

Don't suppose anyone got a Haynes and can tell me which setup they go with
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« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2016, 11:34:19 »

When you slid the end pulley half onto the shaft spline, did it feel like a good fit, or a bit sloppy?

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« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2016, 12:13:13 »

Don't suppose anyone got a Haynes 


Go here to read an online Piaggio manual for your machine .... https://www.scribd.com/doc/128870316/Piaggio-X8-125-200-EN ... to save you a bit of time, the relevant pages are 91 to 111 inclusive
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« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2016, 12:28:38 »


Go here to read an online Piaggio manual for your machine .... https://www.scribd.com/doc/128870316/Piaggio-X8-125-200-EN ... to save you a bit of time, the relevant pages are 91 to 111 inclusive
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Mike was intially a good fit, grooves all fit into place etc
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« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2016, 15:55:29 »

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice...
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« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2016, 20:51:57 »

Well, Mike, at least you're a good fit .......
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« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2016, 22:34:58 »

The sage continues,
Just waiting for washers/bolts to come now,
Managed to bag new indicators ,clutch and variator(used) for £20 which I thought was a bargin

Right another wee question
When I revved my bike on the center stand it pull to the left(rear)
I have also noticed a few mm play in rear tyre.
Any advice surely this is not normal
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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2016, 09:36:37 »

Radial play is not a problem all drop gears have some lash in them. There shouldn't be any lateral movement along the axle or horizontal or vertical 'wobble' though.
The axle is held at the RH end by a bearing in the swing arm that the silencer is bolted to and this can fail.
On the 500 there is a spacer that goes on the axle after the hub and one that goes between the the swing arm and the hub nut and a lot of mechanics both amateur and professional put both spacers on next to each other and this misaligns the rear wheel and wears the bearing. I don't know if the 125 is the same but if it is, check for this. The tapered one goes on first before the arm and the parallel one last before the nut. Also check the wheel bolts for tightness, nipped but not heaved on. The hub nut itself has been known to come loose if the split pin isn't fitted correctly or a spacer is missing so the nut goes on too far missing the split pin completely.
The bearing in the gearbox usually withstands a faulty spacer fit so long as it's not for too long, but the one in the swing arm fails immediately! Cheap and simple to replace, drift and hammer job.
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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2016, 10:27:55 »

Radial play is not a problem all drop gears have some lash in them. There shouldn't be any lateral movement along the axle or horizontal or vertical 'wobble' though.
The axle is held at the RH end by a bearing in the swing arm that the silencer is bolted to and this can fail.
On the 500 there is a spacer that goes on the axle after the hub and one that goes between the the swing arm and the hub nut and a lot of mechanics both amateur and professional put both spacers on next to each other and this misaligns the rear wheel and wears the bearing. I don't know if the 125 is the same but if it is, check for this. The tapered one goes on first before the arm and the parallel one last before the nut. Also check the wheel bolts for tightness, nipped but not heaved on. The hub nut itself has been known to come loose if the split pin isn't fitted correctly or a spacer is missing so the nut goes on too far missing the split pin completely.
The bearing in the gearbox usually withstands a faulty spacer fit so long as it's not for too long, but the one in the swing arm fails immediately! Cheap and simple to replace, drift and hammer job.
Once again cheers dave
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« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2016, 21:12:18 »

Getting ready to sort it all out tomorrow
Just thought I would post this up make sure I've got it right

The  washer (thicker) before the nut will be replaced with a castle washer I have at work which is splined also (don't have kick-start)
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« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2016, 11:49:58 »

Are you sure the new pulley half (bottom right of picture) has got splines in the middle? I had to save it off then zoom in and zoom in and zoom in and still only just about see what might be spline teeth, plus the metal is not very thick. Seems all a bit strange to me.

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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2016, 18:34:05 »

Yeah definitely got spline teeth
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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2016, 19:26:50 »

Can assure you it's splined buddy
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« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2016, 12:37:36 »

Hmmm! Had some trouble finding it on the net, but is this?

http://www.scooter-attack.com/front-pulley-rms-maxi-r100320150-39.html?___store=sa_en


Still not convinced it's strong enough - the teeth still seem very shallow to me and the metal is not thick. Other makes I've seen have a steel washer which have the actual spline teeth on, which is then keyed to the pulley by tabs that fit in slots in the pulley. The pair are held together by the shaft nut.


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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2016, 13:16:13 »

^^^ I agree Mike, it does look feeble on the shaft, I wonder if the way they got it made as a pattern part was to reduce the depth of engagement on the splines compared to OEM spec. I THINK that the steel part you mention is only used on models with a kickstarter, is this the sort of thing that you're thinking of bud ..... http://www.myscooterparts.co.uk/auto-scooter-parts-and-accessories/starter-components/scooter/motorcycle/kickstarter-toothed-washer---fits-to-variator-outer-pulley/vb20300/
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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2016, 21:42:11 »

Hmmm! Had some trouble finding it on the net, but is this?

http://www.scooter-attack.com/front-pulley-rms-maxi-r100320150-39.html?___store=sa_en


Still not convinced it's strong enough - the teeth still seem very shallow to me and the metal is not thick. Other makes I've seen have a steel washer which have the actual spline teeth on, which is then keyed to the pulley by tabs that fit in slots in the pulley. The pair are held together by the shaft nut.



Mike I don't think they do them for the 125 model.
I've looked high and low , but this is the OEM standard pulley
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« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2017, 16:27:33 »

^^^ I agree Mike, it does look feeble on the shaft, I wonder if the way they got it made as a pattern part was to reduce the depth of engagement on the splines compared to OEM spec. I THINK that the steel part you mention is only used on models with a kickstarter, is this the sort of thing that you're thinking of bud ..... http://www.myscooterparts.co.uk/auto-scooter-parts-and-accessories/starter-components/scooter/motorcycle/kickstarter-toothed-washer---fits-to-variator-outer-pulley/vb20300/

No wasn't exactly like that, the steel tabbed washer was completely flat, and locked down with the nut so it doesn't move, of course I can't find it again now as I can't remember what I typed in the search box before. 



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