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« on: June 13, 2016, 19:08:23 »

well here iam again approx 1 year on mot man does not like my wobbley center stand so back to the problem i had before how to remove it bolt is seized inside the pivot  tube which goes through the bottom of the engine
i cant belt it with a big hammer engine lugs will fracture off looks like the only option is to angle grind it off  any other options lads
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2016, 07:49:26 »

I can't see why the centre stand would be an MOT issue. I suppose if you have no prop stand the tester could claim it was not possible to safely test the scooter but plenty of bikes only have prop stands so if that's OK there would be no requirement to use the centre stand. Of course if the centre stand scrapes on the road or reduces cornering clearance that would be a safety issue.

On the X10 the stand through bolt locks a long central spacer when tightened and the spacer is supposed to pivot in the engine casting. When this started to seize I removed and lubricated the through bolt then replaced it and secured with an extra lock nut so that I could leave it slack enough to rotate inside the spacer. Is yours so seized up that you can't even turn the bolt or do the bolt and spacer turn together?
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 07:56:07 »

yes roadster it's well seized so looks like an angle grinder job new bolt and spacer tube no problem to make just the mot man being an arse not worth while arguing i'll just do it
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 09:03:54 »

When you get the pivot bolt out, chuck it and get a new one and either get it zinc or chrome plated or find one already coated and if necessary ream out the alloy bosses then apply lots of copper grease. The zinc will raise the nobility of the steel bolt so it doesn't corrode as quickly.
I don't know what the 250 pivot looks like but if 2 bolts, one each side could be used rather than a long one with a central spacer tube it would possibly allow you to close off the water access more effectively than having the length of bolt doing nothing in the middle.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2016, 11:59:28 »

good idea dave i'll look at it
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2016, 12:45:40 »

I can't see why the centre stand would be an MOT issue.

I guess he thinks if it's wobbly means it's loose so might come undone and fall off when riding.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2016, 12:57:34 »

Quite probably so if you remove it completely it should pass as it's not a required fitment. That way if it is the only item of failure you can fettle the stand at your leisure and get on with using the bike.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2016, 14:52:06 »

the scooter is not fitted with a side stand so it's got to be fixed
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 07:37:27 »

morning had another go at it last night no way is that bolt going to move put it back together again i can tighten up the nut to take out the wobble but not having put the springs back on yet i dont know if it will retract fully the storey goes on
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 08:21:58 »

Plenty of heat might help. If you start with a hot engine then add a gas torch something has got to give.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2016, 16:30:50 »

well the scooter passed the mot, i shortened the springs cut a bit off heated them with a blowtourch bent them then heated them again and quenched them in oil so it's ok  but looking at the scrap engine i thought i would have ago at just belting it out nothing to harm well after a few meaty blows it gave in and come out after one on the hand ouch it hurts more the secong time looking at the job now i'm going to put some o'ring grooves in the spacer so on assembly i can put some grease on so the grease will ooze out and the same with the bolt but more i think cos it's steel through steel spacerbut as it's passed there is no pressure now i can wait for a nice day and do it then thanks for the help and suggestions lads (or is joice a lady ?)
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