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The X Files ~ The Piaggio X Series => X9 Specific Stuff => Topic started by: james_death on August 12, 2012, 18:01:04



Title: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 12, 2012, 18:01:04
Well a couple of weeks back spotting a X9 500 evo for sale near bye i went to view and agreed a price and brought it Back... ::lol::

Few fettling bits to do... No Radio/pics system well bloke said it never worked since he got it. Not Really Bothered about it.

Centre stand bloke said he disconnected due to having issues.

Didnt notice the mudguard had snapped at the front mounts, so got back to a holed mudguard.... :headbang:

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/brokenmudguard.jpg)

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/holedmudguard.jpg)

Mirror held with bitumen and a long stick worked well till i removed the stick.... ::lol::

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/x9arrivalmirror.jpg)

Leaking fork seal that had allegedly been done recently...

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/forksleakonbrakes.jpg)

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/leakypittedforks.jpg)

Intermitent engine management light but seamed ok after a few miles, the temp sensor at the back of the water pump was not connected more on that later.

Seam to have a slow air leak to front tyre shame as pretty much brand new tyres.

A rear lens was glued on and came off in hand when back... :headbang:

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/taillightsuperglued.jpg)

A good deal of overspray it felt on the scoot as felt like sand paper...

But here we are....

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/arrivalx9front.jpg)

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/x9500arrival.jpg)

Wanted to remove the indicator/mirrors since one a bit pants... so did that awaited fleabay parts, namely indicators.

So got the rear one and then noticed the other side not great as thats separating... :headbang:

Spent 16 hours saturday doing fork seals changing front mudguard with the old honda engined x9 250... ditto the cebtre fairing to match and the rear centre tail unit to give it a go faster stripe... :D

Put on the 250,s mirrors and pulled the wiring out the evo mirrors and fitted the old style to lower fairing despite the reset service button having been hard wired in so could not take fairing totally away from the scoot.

Found one indictor not working due to pinched wire, sorted fitted the givi Rack of the honda and put the piaggio one in its place on the 250.

Detailing clayed the scoot to remove overspray and a quick glaze went to set off for scooter crazy openday and scoot would not light up at all was putting the wife's modern vespa 125 away and decided ill take battery off mine and charge it while we go in the car.

Found loose connector so all go again set off with daughter on back of the EVO got about 11 miles and big bang the EVO 500 had blown the waterpump housing to bits and blown out the side panel well unfastened it...

Details and pics on other thread....

But here is the faster stripe..... ::lol::

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/x9fasterstripe.jpg)

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/x9rear.jpg)

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/x9mods.jpg)

Other Side...

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/scootpump1.jpg)

So having just taxed and insured and now off the road... :headbang:


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: nash_wrx on August 12, 2012, 19:22:46
gutted fella, seems like the poor x9 was an abused one


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 13, 2012, 08:55:45
Looking at service record it seams to have done 11 K early on and then about 2 to 3k a year till its layup.

25K when i got it and exactly 25050 now..


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 17, 2012, 08:57:15
How Different and softer the X9 Evo looks when replacing the Evo Fairing Centre and Mirrors with the SL Ones and mounting the old Style indicators in the Fairing again.


(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/arrivalx9front.jpg)


(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/x9fasterstripe.jpg)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Mottza on August 17, 2012, 09:14:42
Where did get a set of mirrors from as mine keep going loose.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on August 17, 2012, 11:49:06
Ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIAGGIO-X9-MIRRORS-left-right-black-mirror-PAIR-BRAND-NEW-BARGAIN-/180889964698?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a1de1d09a


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Mottza on August 17, 2012, 11:50:20
Cheers, seen them ones. Was hoping I could glue them but that didn't work.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 18, 2012, 06:48:33
Yep they been on flea bay a good while, a darn good set of mirrors period.

However mine came off my 250 sl.... :D


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 18, 2012, 22:22:41
Set about doing the Pump cover, but when i started cleaning the OCD set in and all the panels started coming off.

Currently have the rusting metal pipe that caries the coolant down the right side wrapped in cling film with some bilt hamber deox gel on it.....

Tooth brush and Autosmart G101 on the engine casings the inside of the air box etc etc etc.... mind had to do a few saw throughs on a few bolts seized in.... ::lol::


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 19, 2012, 20:09:33
Rad Fan needed drilling out of the bottom bolt, now held with a Landrover captive thread clip and stainless bolt.

Most of the frame hammerited running board frames attached and hoses coupled up still not got fitted pump cover all panels still off including headlight and fairing removed the stand ram as not working and 2 cables not connected anyway to it. few connectors were not attached to stuff one i suspect is a diagnostic connector as has a cap on it.

so weekend taken and still not done the pump cover.... ::lol::

Loads of fins gone on the rad from tar stones by the look, need to get some mesh to stop any more damage.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on August 19, 2012, 20:15:02
The diagnostic plug has a cap and should be clipped to the frame just inside the PICS socket cover panel.
Connect up the power to the stand motor, and clean and check the operation of the relay under the RH footboard support then you can do the bypass mod and get it working again if the controller box has failed, which it probably has.
That coolant pipe does get a bit flaky doesn't it? Lots of coats of hammerite does it for me.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 19, 2012, 20:23:28
The one i thought was the diagnostic one is actually tucked in a metal clip rear of bottom frame in the gap of the diagonal rail.

So sounds like its the one up near the pics that has no cover and seams more of a regular plug connector, the pics is dead also.

I had one wire over the right side of the rear of the fuel tank, just hanging and another that i thought was connected to a switch on the centre stand much like a rear brake light switch but came away in my hand just seamed to have like a red straight coupler on it like the other side.

Wanted to clean out the airbox hose coupling but the clamp by the engine does not seam to have a slit in it to unscrew it and warry water getting in if i dont remove it to clean it. Other than ramming a sponge up there... ::lol::

A fast scan for mesh revealed this site...A4 should work just fine as the second row up on the plastic cover is angled down so any stones there would still miss the rad and think the top row is uncovered with an A4 sheet on its side it should work very well.

http://www.themeshcompany.com/acatalog/stainless-steel-woven-wire-mesh-A4-sheet-size.html


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 19, 2012, 21:03:37
No Its Not A Benneli NaKed..... ::lol::

Skinny X9 500.... :D

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/skinnyscootfront.jpg)

Removed Rusty Pipe...

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/rustypipe.jpg)

Parts Drying...

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/paintdrying.jpg)

Impeller looks ok... all cleaned up around it...

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/impellercleaned.jpg)

Should there be a Lambda Senor here or is it supposed to be blanked off?

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/exhaustbung.jpg)

One job im not touching unless it goes is the Exhaust Header, doubt its ever been off.... :headbang:

(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/james_death1/Piaggio%20x9%20500%20evo%202005/rustyexhausthead.jpg)

Certainly no real need with the exhaust seal on the intermediate pipe, mind that must have leaked at some point as part of the dip stick is melted... ::lol::

De Greased all round the head there and casing after the pic and painted up the frame and stand there.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on August 20, 2012, 11:34:40
There is no Lambda sensor.

If it has been run without an exhaust seal hot gases may have damaged the pump cover ...


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 20, 2012, 19:51:24
Valid Point, but it was just the bottom edge of the dipstick seal was there but must not have been clamped properly until they noticed melted dipstick.... ::lol::


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: regal raptor on August 21, 2012, 12:01:56
Hi mate.....i like your style  :thumbup: you have sorted the bike and it looks cool.....like the way you sorted the indicators nice one  :thumbup: great to see you enjoying your purchase  B)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on August 21, 2012, 15:39:33
There is a replaceable seal between the muffler and the pipe which is sometimes not replaced or is left absent. A lot of exhaust gases will escape if this happens which is almost certainly how the dip stick got damaged.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on August 21, 2012, 19:14:03
As Stated the seal is there just as the new one is with the new exhaust on the sl 250, it must have not been clamped properly in the past as no issues now.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 07, 2013, 21:14:51
Well long time coming but back on the road again.

Still have some niggles.

Have the buzzing sound again well squealing like brakes but not the brakes the tone never changes but stops as soon as i stop or just before i stop.
Had it disapear a couple of times but soon comes back and there most of the time.

Engine light on all the time unless i tootle at 2.5k revs max its off as soon as they rise its back on.

If i drop to no more than 2.5k revs again after a bit its off again.

The temp gauge seams to stay around the 2 marks above half way.

Then when i pulled up at home after 30 mile run it was just below the last mark before the red.

Scoot seams to run fine though, bit choppy on the front but i know i need more fork oil in.

Ordered a filter cup wrench for changing oil filter.

Ordered another exhaust seal and clamp just to be sure that no escaping hot air that could contribute to extra heat on the water pump cover.

But seams to be mobile again at least.

Oh still need to stop slow air leak to front tyre.

Want her running all ok before touches like both headlights on etc.

Any ideas folks about the buzzing/ squeal??? Also the engine management light always on over 2.5k revs?

Oh the scoot ticks over at about 1.8k revs.

40 mph is at about 4k revs i think and 70 mph at 6k revs.

Dont know if thats what it should be at?

All the best folks and all help appreciated.



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 07, 2013, 21:57:38


Have the buzzing sound again well squealing like brakes but not the brakes the tone never changes but stops as soon as i stop or just before i stop.
Had it disapear a couple of times but soon comes back and there most of the time.

That is the centre stand alarm. The bike sounds it if it thinks the stand is not up and you are moving.


Engine light on all the time unless i tootle at 2.5k revs max its off as soon as they rise its back on.


If i drop to no more than 2.5k revs again after a bit its off again.


You regulator has died and is frying the battery. The engine light is coming on due to voltage going out of range.


The temp gauge seams to stay around the 2 marks above half way.

About right may just need the needle repositioning but not serious if the fan comes on as the needle goes i nthe red or just after and the fan brings the needle back down


Then when i pulled up at home after 30 mile run it was just below the last mark before the red.


Oh still need to stop slow air leak to front tyre.

Get some Ultraseal/Puncturesafe - it is probably just rusty rims stopping a good seal.




Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 07, 2013, 21:59:01
BTW, if it is any consolation, I have had all these occur on both the two X9 500s Jackie and I had.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 07, 2013, 22:11:37
Thanks Julian,

Greatly appreciated.

The battery is a concern as just shelled out nearly £60 on new gel one.

How do i sort the stand issue?

Can you bypass the alarm and How?

Thanks again, greta forum.



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 07, 2013, 22:21:31
With a gel battery do not use the bike again until the regulator has been replaced. They cannot vent and blow off overflow fluid so overcharging bulges them and ruins them PDQ.
Check out the wiring and adjustment of the limit switches on the centre stand. Either a wire has come off, or the switch is stuck or mis-adjusted. Probably the LH switch.
You can disconnect the sounder easily enough but it will then not bleep it's normal fully deployed warning either.
Are your gauge needles sitting fully down on the zero marks when off as it sounds like the temp one is a little high considering the time of year. Idling is also a tad high it should be nearer 1500rpm, a bit more is better than any lower but no more than 1600rpm ideally. Idle setting is a dealer job but unusual to need doing. The throttle isn't just sticking a bit is it?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 07, 2013, 22:35:21
Ill nip and have a look at needles i do know the fuel one when full reads 3/4 and when off reads 1/4 beyond empty...Doh...

Just had a brief look at rectifier prices... oh bum.

A few posts about the web about using other makes of rectifier a few on the aprillia atlantic etc.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 07, 2013, 22:43:44
There are plenty that are exactly the same but have different connectors. You will problem find the connectors on your bike will have melted, they nearly always have if the regulator has failed. This means you will need to write the replacement in so it matters not if the connectors are different from the original. Dave knows more.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 07, 2013, 23:00:10
I had the regulator unscrewed from the backing plate the other day while i painted some more of the frame and the mounting plate.

Wires seamed ok only disconnected the cable to the battery and re connected.

The temp gauge needle is indeed not fully to the bottom it is slightly risen, the rev needle sits dead on the bottom.

Tick over looks to be about 17k with odd blip to about 18k.

Now which rectifiers will work?

Is it a case most bike rectifiers will work? just mainly down to connectors?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 07, 2013, 23:01:59
Oh the battery read 12.3 volts and on tickover rose to about 13 volts and when revved to about 4k was 16 then 17 volts and rising so turned off.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 07, 2013, 23:12:47
Spotted these...

http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/acatalog/RR10.html

I know M&P list theres on flea bay for similar price, but since they stole my credit card details a good while back im loath to use them.

That was an employee actually using my card details to pay for them to get to work...Geeez.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 08, 2013, 08:50:04
The RR850 for the Aprillia Atlantic is what you want ideally although you can adapt any that uses a three phase input whether it has 2 or 4 output wires but you would need to loop to all 4 wires in the bikes loom.
The price has dropped too, it was £118 a month ago.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 08, 2013, 14:42:52
Oh thanks Dave... So thats a straight plug in job then?

From same company? Ordered Now... :::lol:::

The other universal one was cheaper and cheaper special delivery unless royal snail has put them up today.... :headbang:

Mind should just plug straight in... :D

http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?page=search&SS=rr850&ACTION=Search&PR=-1&TB=A

Anyway ordered online as even over the phone would not get dispatched today.

So should be with me Thursday.

Grand Total £104.82 With Delivery.... :headbang:

Stil dont know what im looking for concerns the Stand buzzer.

I removed the non functioning ram when i had all the panels off etc, but had the buzzing before the removal.

Think i need to look up a diagram....

Hope the rectifier sorts the engine management light and saves the battery.

Certainly hope the couple of items that sold on ebay get paid for as certainly need the money towards paying teh credit card bill that will follow the rectifier purchase.




Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 10, 2013, 11:29:08
Well the oil wrench turned up yesterday ( Laser Part 3882 ) 76mm x 12 flutes... :)

Went for ordering from amazon as i know ill get it well pretty sure anyway.... ::lol::

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-3882-Filter-Wrench-Flutes/dp/B0032O34OA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357817421&sr=8-1

The new exhaust seal and clamp also.... :D From fleabay...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXHAUST-PIPE-to-SILENCER-CLAMP-SEAL-for-PIAGGIO-X9-500-cc-/190780620644?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2c6b693f64

The Rectifier should turn up today. :thumbup:

Have been laid off work for today at least... :cry: as im only agency so hope to faff with the x9.

Tried the analogue clock reset but they sit back at the wrong positions so looks like the dash has been off at some point and cocks out of line or whatever. :headbang:

Well since i had virtually all body panels off before most stuff has had the screws replaced and the bolts, these all been the ones for body panels etc.

Parts all from screwfix apart from the ones that fasten the running boards they were replaced with some for landrovers that i used to hold the under tray on the rover 75.

Here they are...

Running board clips and bolts... These are large flat head you will still need something like penny washer under them to get a good coverage of the plastic panels. I used Wickes round washer m6x30mm as they are just at the bottom of the road.

Only need 4 scres and washers really as the rear ones use long bolts for the foot rests.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220729777365?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Here are the screwfix bits...

M6 x 20mm bolts A2 stainless if you can find A4 stainless there even better as they are marine environment grade. Any ways the majority of one syou will replace will be 16mm that screwfix do sell but they had no stock when i arrived despite reserving then again it had said one pack in stock and theft and system errors prevail everywhere.

Anyway here are the M6 x 20mm...

http://www.screwfix.com/p/socket-button-screws-a2-stainless-steel-m6-x-20mm-pack-of-50/25864

Some washers for them...

http://www.screwfix.com/p/flat-washers-a2-stainless-steel-m6-pack-of-100/15343

Screws are self tapping stainless 3/4" x 8 either screwfix...

http://www.screwfix.com/p/panhead-self-tappers-8-x-pack-of-100/14452?_requestid=886547

Or tool station...

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Stainless+Steel+Screws/Stainless+Self+Tapping+Pan+Head+Pozi+34+x+8/d90/sd810/p91265

Washers were from screwfix...M5 stainless...

http://www.screwfix.com/p/a2-stainless-steel-flat-washers-m5-pack-of-100/29763?_requestid=889304

Hope this helps folks looking for screws etc oh you need the washers for the screws to get more nearer the head coverage of the standard screws.

OOOOO my rectifier has arrived. :thumbup:

Wiull have to find teh thread that i mentioned how much oil i had put in the forks to know how much more to go..... Doh.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 10, 2013, 17:32:23
Ok Had to go out for other jobs today but got the rectifier on... :D

The cables are shorter than the x9.

Comparison...

Old Rectifier... Long Cable.. 630mm to the start of the connector.
New Rctifier... Long Cable.. 590mm to the start of the Connector this will just reach but have to unclip the connector from its frame mount under the seat.

Short Cable...

Old... 255mm
New.. 175mm is again long enough.

Now have constant 14.3 reading on multimeter no alteration as the revs rise and no engine light.... :thumbup:


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 10, 2013, 22:25:34
Pull the brown connector through so it is visible under the side panel rather than attached to the engine swing mount. I have done that with mine so the connector isn't in the heat above the engine. A previous one melted due to getting very hot as a result of a poor connection and high resistance. As it's warm in there grease in the plug just dried out, but moving the plug outside of the main frame tubes cured this.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 10, 2013, 23:03:27
Good idea Dave.

Thought about the heat myself, however its not possible as the cable only just reaches no freeplay of cable im afraid.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 10, 2013, 23:08:10
There should be loads of spare cable on the stator side of the plug. Mine reaches right across and under the frame tube and partway back down the side towards the regulator. The loom from the stator coil is a lot longer than need to reach to the point where the connector clips to the arm.
It may be tied up somewhere further along, or it's been shortened due to a plug melting, and a new connector fitted.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 11, 2013, 07:05:45
Regarding the clocks. Remove them, undo the screws on the back and the needles should just unclip then clip back into position as you push them back on to reposition them. They are quite loose which is why they often move over time or if the bike has even a low speed or stationary tumble.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 11, 2013, 09:00:23
Yes, don't just turn them or they will set wrong again. Pull them off connect the dash and do several resets then carefully without turning the spindles push the needles back on, do a couple more resets to make sure they are all perfect, then reasssemble.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 11, 2013, 16:37:09
Thanks gents,

Ill have to remove the panels again and check other side but dont think i have much play on that side but will check.

Thanks for the clock tips.

On another point i have fancied the givi screen and putting hand on top of the standard screen that i have at full height makes me want one more for the reduced wind noise.

I may try cutting up the majesty screen i puchased many years ago thinking to try on the Leonardo 250 i had.

Think i may well cut the end bars off the hand guards i purchased a good while back as having ones that just connect to the bar ends would be simplest having cut others up before and ended up having to throw them as didnt work.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 13, 2013, 21:19:11
Hoped to get scoot fully sorted today but only got chance to wire up the service reset button and re align the dash needles.

Still does not seam right with the temp one as most of the time it only sweeps to about 2 possibly 3 past half way and only twice after many attempts has it risen into the red and then only about half way into the red so wonder if there is slipping on the cog or whatever?

Oh well.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 13, 2013, 22:58:23
The real test is what happens in use. The temp gauge should quickly move to a little above half way and ideally should stay there in normal operation. Should the temperature rise the fan should cut in about one tick into the red and quickly bring the temperature out of the red where the fan should cut out.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 14, 2013, 08:29:45
You have to be really careful when pushing the needles on. Press too far and they bind against the facia.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 14, 2013, 10:31:29
Considered the binding was very careful and and pretty much every time it never reaches the red when doing the resets.

The weird thing was the times it went into the red i had not removed again out of about 10 removals and some 40 tests only twice did it go into the red and then not all the way.

Just a case of trying it out i suppose.

Thanks as ever folks.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 14, 2013, 13:40:56
From memory, I don't think the fuel and temeprature needles went the full way round the clocks on our 500s when they were reset, which is why I mentioned that the real test is how they operate in practice.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 14, 2013, 16:05:02
Appreciated, the fuel gauge goes all the way to the top now with full tank rather than 3/4 mark with a full tank... ::lol::

On yet another side note concerning the air filter element is it the ..K&N Part number:  33-2092 that fits the 500 Evo???


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on January 14, 2013, 17:40:50
Why not buy this and trim to fit, it can't be that tricky if I can manage it.

Saves loads of dosh, very high quality pre-oiled material, plus (no doubt my imagination) but was much faster afterwards!!!   :whistle:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAMAIR-Air-Filter-Foam-Large-Scooter-Motorcycle-Quad-/271111301687?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f1f7e2a37 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAMAIR-Air-Filter-Foam-Large-Scooter-Motorcycle-Quad-/271111301687?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f1f7e2a37)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 15, 2013, 01:01:18
Why not buy this and trim to fit, it can't be that tricky if I can manage it.

Saves loads of dosh, very high quality pre-oiled material, plus (no doubt my imagination) but was much faster afterwards!!!   :whistle:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAMAIR-Air-Filter-Foam-Large-Scooter-Motorcycle-Quad-/271111301687?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f1f7e2a37 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAMAIR-Air-Filter-Foam-Large-Scooter-Motorcycle-Quad-/271111301687?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f1f7e2a37)

Very interesting... so do you only need the foam?

I see they do a more expensive one with some stainless mesh i presume is to add more rigidity..?

Is the foam sturdy enough to not need the metal mesh to support it in the evo's air box?

Thanks for the post.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 15, 2013, 08:54:47
33-2092 VW polo jetta is the one for the 500. I've used them since 2005. Oil them with car red auto transmission fluid (TQF) and clean and re-oil every couple of years.

The thing that bothers me about the foam is how does it clamp into the filter casing. THe standard type filters have a big rubber lip that fits into a groove and is clamped by the two halves so no air can bypass the filter. This foam has no such method of sealing around the edge. If it isn't air tight, it isn't filtering so how did you get round this?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on January 15, 2013, 09:30:01
The thing that bothers me about the foam is how does it clamp into the filter casing. THe standard type filters have a big rubber lip that fits into a groove and is clamped by the two halves so no air can bypass the filter. This foam has no such method of sealing around the edge. If it isn't air tight, it isn't filtering so how did you get round this?

Well perhaps it's different on the 500, but on my 250 Evo the rubber seal is between the two halves of the plastic outer casing & the "filter" itself was just plain foam, so I replaced like-for-like.

I did trim the foam to be slightly oversized, so it was compressed a little on the outer edges to help it remain in-situ and seal well.  There's a single spindle the goes right through the foam and a series of spikes that touch the foam to hold it in place, so I'm pretty confident it isn't going anywhere and is as well sealed as the original - famous last words!


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: silverbonce on January 15, 2013, 09:52:44
I went to buy a new filter and oil for my 250 evo from Kegra Scooters Essex and they told me that it is no longer necessary to oil the filter,,so i bought just the foam filter for £6 0dd. was this info correct ??
The original foam was more like a white Latex foam but the replacement is black with a more honeycomb effect.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 15, 2013, 22:17:54
Oh Dave you were right about the cabling for the rectifier, it had actually been doubled over and hidden under the under seat tray so thats moved the conector out of the heat.

Been laid of work yet again and at minimum wage moneys tight but the ram air foam i cant see it been suitable for the 500 to much risk of flex i think, so will be the K&N when funds allow.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on January 15, 2013, 23:19:49
Sounds like the 250 cannister is totally different so the foam will be fine, just not suitable for a 500.
As for oiling the foam, it depends on the foam. Some foams will be adversely affected by oil as it slowly perishes them but others will be designed to be lightly oiled. Was there no instructions with it? If not and you don't believe the seller, try the manufacturers website.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 16, 2013, 21:57:25
Took the 500 out today after doing oil and filter change and replacing the full beam bulb as the pins had corroded and came away with the connector.

Forks upped to 250ml of oil but think a little too firm.

I must find out how to bypass the darn center stand buzzer....

New seal and clamp fitted to exhaust thought perhaps some exhaust gasses coming out but pretty sure its what i thought it could be and was the copper slip i had put on the thread of the bolt burning off... plus it was very very cold outside.

Tried out the body mate apron, the one you wear rather than the scoot wears.

Had hoped it would save on wearing waterproof trousers and around town its fine but on the motorway it lifts unless you sit on it and thats would be a faff.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 16, 2013, 22:08:37
Glad you have got it running!


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 20, 2013, 10:44:04
Waiting on the ultraseal to arrive to see if that sorts the front tyre slow leak.

Been laid off all week with agency so no money hope were back in tomorrow and hope the snow keeps of for the scoot commute in.

Still not got to look where the buzzer for the stand is nor looked into why only the throttle grip is heated.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on January 20, 2013, 18:19:44
When the Ultraseal is in ride the bike for a couple of days to make sure the stuff gets spread around inside. Don't expect it to seal rim or valve seat leaks straight away.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on January 20, 2013, 22:25:40
If it turns up tomorrow ill go for a good run as still no work.

I really want to strip the wheels back and spray them but thats a long processes and no funds.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on February 02, 2013, 12:20:02
Well heard what i thought was something catching on the rear wheel.

Thought perhaps the valve extension but next day pillion even heard a loud clicking, after the motorway run.

Sounded like pads rattling but plenty of meat on the pads, so on center stand and soon realised wheel loose again....Darn nab it...



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on February 02, 2013, 13:06:19
Good thing you checked! :Drive:


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on February 04, 2013, 21:43:27
Hving looked online it seams my rear wheel is missing the nut cover cap possibly the small spacer also.

Anyone know the Nut size and pitch?

M18? M24? 1.25 pitch?

Thinking of getting a castellion nut.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on February 05, 2013, 09:11:02
If you need the spacer, order the proper parts from Suttons.
Another thought is some dipstick owners put both spacers on the shaft behind the arm!!!
Why?
THe cone shaped one is all that goes on wide end to the hub, then the arm, then the straight spacer, nut, retaining cover and big split pin. It never budges when correctly fitted.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on February 05, 2013, 22:09:27
Will see about ordering a few bits from suttons as a bit much just for the cover, in that postage will outstrip cost of teh nut cover.

Suspect it may have been when the tyres were changed by previous owner as expect they were removed and then taken in.

I would as tends to be free fitting on loose wheels.

Would much prefer a castellated nut on mind.



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on February 08, 2013, 16:43:32
Decided to try local old style bike spares shop old bloke given it over to Son in law i think.

Anyway we tried to get a castellated nut for the X9 500 but no joy as its M16 x 1.25 pitch.

Oh it does seam as though the old owner of the scoot has put the spacer behind the frame arm.

Any way the i can see why piaggio do the nut cover, as they created a darn daft thread size and pitch.

Standard bolts only use 1.25 pitch upto 8mm or even 10mm.

Motorcycles use 1.25 pitch right upto 12 and 14mm.

However piaggio in there wisdom decided to do as i say 16mm in 1.25 pitch.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on February 08, 2013, 21:58:25
The reason for the nut cap is that it gives a much finer increment than a normal 6 sided nut therefore not forcing you to overtighten or loosen off the nut once the correct torque was applied in order to fit the split pin. Where ever the nut stops the cap will have a position that matches the hole for the pin.
If both spacers were meant to go together, surely just one spacer as big as both together would have been used. It's obvious from a basic engineering principle that they go in separated positions.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: unchained on February 08, 2013, 23:24:52
It's obvious from a basic engineering principle that they go in separated positions.

But so often we hear that they are put together, and not always by DIYers!!!

Bob


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on February 10, 2013, 22:50:38
Thanks gents and did see how how the nut cover does mean its easier to put a pin in than lining up the cut outs in a castelated nut.

But the availability of such a cheap part is daft especially when you see an online listing and they say sold out.

On a side note is it still OEM belts thats rated the best for the 500?

Or are there cheaper options that are as good?

Thanks as ever people... :thumbup:

Oh decided i would sooner try and fit a spidermax back rest to the givi plate rather than purchase a pad for the box.

I know i do seam to insist on making work for myself.... :headbang:


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Mr.Chips on February 10, 2013, 23:16:42
Experience on the forum always points to OEM belts being far better value-for-money than any others. :)

 :ph34r:


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Mottza on February 11, 2013, 09:42:25
Unless you have a 250SL!


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on February 11, 2013, 12:10:31
Oh decided i would sooner try and fit a spidermax back rest to the givi plate rather than purchase a pad for the box.
I know i do seam to insist on making work for myself.... :headbang:
Not half! How do you propose to open the seat with a backrest bolted in front of the box?
The Piaggio back rest fits to the same mounting points on the frame as the rack, so it's an either/or and not both. The seat only just clears the bottom edge of the standard pad attached to the box, and I wouldn't move the box further backwards.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on March 09, 2013, 10:11:57
OOOps i did, Works a treat must get some pics for you folks.

The rest is great well so the pillion thinks.... ::lol::

Even lined up with holes in the universal plate... :thumbup: Sweet.

So can have backrest even with box off... :D

Gave the rack a good rub down and spray also.

Well chuffed with the backrest although i wont be using it myself.... :D I dont have long enough arms if i tried but did have a sit on the back and is very nice.

Well on another point got the nut cover and the resin based lock thread the local bike parts shop had put on while waiting for the part was still holding the nut on fast, unlike the loctite ( my But ) thread did.

Having looked about the web has anyone had experience with PSN Tuning and there service pack, as there kit seams good value with the official belt plug rollers and filter?

The front tyre air loss is still there but i check regular and does seam less loss over a longer time now.

Thanks as ever folks.... oh.... whats best place and price for official locking tool to doing the belt and rollers?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on March 09, 2013, 23:27:14
Don't think it is needed if you use a 12v impact wrench. Several threads on here.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on March 09, 2013, 23:41:09
I think the Buzetti one sold on Ebay by Welsh Scooter Parts is the cheapest variator holding tool.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on March 11, 2013, 00:18:34
Thanks folks, and an impact gun would be great but cant see a 12v one been up to much.

Only see upto 250cc Evo, any difference to the 250 and 500?

I do stand to be corrected mind, the box was only moved back about an Inch if that but that has given loads of clearance to the back rest and seat.

Would have only been border line if left where it was but that would have meant drilling the back rest plate and this way all holes line up.

Really must get some pics done.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: unchained on March 11, 2013, 08:10:56
It would appear Welsh Scooter parts do not have any at the moment and I cannot find them on Suttons or anywhere else on ebay either. Looks like the only place selling these at the moment is easyparts:
http://www.easyparts.nl/showarticles_info/01385446/0-4016-3-31-1281/Blokkeersleutel_Startkrans_Piaggio_500-4t_buzzetti_5446.html (http://www.easyparts.nl/showarticles_info/01385446/0-4016-3-31-1281/Blokkeersleutel_Startkrans_Piaggio_500-4t_buzzetti_5446.html)

Looks like they have to order them from Buzetti and will take a few weeks to get!

Bob


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: unchained on March 11, 2013, 08:19:23
As I will also be needing a 500 variator tool in the future, I have just looked on ebay at the wrenches, loads of these available at this sort of price:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Professional-24V-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-Driver-Power-with-2-Battery-Tool-NEW-/120843848396?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item1c22dacacc (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Professional-24V-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-Driver-Power-with-2-Battery-Tool-NEW-/120843848396?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item1c22dacacc)
Might be worth considering as they would have more than 1 use for barely double the cost of the holding tool which doesn't.

Bob


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 11, 2013, 09:43:39
Not that I've ever yet had a go at the variator, but did I not see comments that using an impact wrench was dangerous (perhaps only for re-tightening) as it can put undue stress on the components.

Or is it just a matter of being careful rather than ham-fisted (like me!)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on March 11, 2013, 10:16:42
The only problem with impact wrenches is not knowing the torque accurately if at all.
I doubt any would actually overtighten considering the stupidly high book torque figure given. You could only achieve this with a seriously meaty locking tool and a bar 4 foot long!!
My cheapo air power tool has three settings, so I tighten initially on No2 then nip up on No1 and undo on No1. It has never come loose and will undo with not too much perseverance. The nuts always seem tighter when trying to remove them, than they are when you initially fit them.
It's always a nightmare getting the nuts off for the first time.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 11, 2013, 10:38:20
Thanks Dave.

So as Bob says this is a wiser purchase than the Buzetti tool, or is it recommended to have both.  Just checking that an impact wrench should mean that a holding tool is superfluous?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on March 11, 2013, 19:36:38
Yes the impact wrench thumps the nuts round without you needing to clamp anything.
Just hold the rear brake on for the clutch centre nut, and the compression is enough to resist against the front nut.
I have no idea whether a 12V gun will generate enough torque but I think Jim had such a device and it worked OK. Mines is air powered and cost about £25 and I give it the full 175psi and the nuts are very little problem.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Deano on March 11, 2013, 21:07:38
I have an Air one also and as Dave says, they come off with ease
 :)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on March 12, 2013, 15:03:06
The one posted on fleabay looks darn good price with 2 batteries, weather the batteries are upto much is another matter.

Oh I do wish i had an air compressor, with power to the garage to run it mind also.... ::lol::


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 12, 2013, 15:14:21
Well according to an Auto Express group test, this little thingumie is the best all-round buy with value in mind.  Did some searches and seen plenty of forum posts (mainly cars) from happy owners.

No need for air or mains electric and gotta be worth a punt I suspect?

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cir13c-1-2in-impact-wrench-kit-12v?da=1&TC=SRC-clarke+impact+wrench (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cir13c-1-2in-impact-wrench-kit-12v?da=1&TC=SRC-clarke+impact+wrench)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on March 12, 2013, 15:29:15
Nice one and i think i remember these been mentioned in the past elsewhere, would be even better with a clarke vat free promo.

Was thinking what machine mart did.

Mind since this is on the scoot i would not like to use the scoots power so you would be looking at needing a spare car battery to power it.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 12, 2013, 15:45:20
Nice one and i think i remember these been mentioned in the past elsewhere, would be even better with a clarke vat free promo.

Was thinking what machine mart did.

Mind since this is on the scoot i would not like to use the scoots power so you would be looking at needing a spare car battery to power it.

Not sure for the 20 seconds it'll be needed that there's a need to worry about running of a 12V socket or from the battery via clips - but there again I don't have first-hand experience.

Any thoughts Dave?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on March 12, 2013, 16:38:24
Clarke stuff is pretty good at the price.
Once cracked off the torque should be adequate for future use but if it is the first time the nut's been off it's marginal on the torque. The variator nut is 175Nm this device is 170Nm but the reviews are all good.
Worth a punt.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 12, 2013, 16:52:31
Clarke stuff is pretty good at the price.
Once cracked off the torque should be adequate for future use but if it is the first time the nut's been off it's marginal on the torque. The variator nut is 175Nm this device is 170Nm but the reviews are all good.
Worth a punt.

What about concerns running it from a scoot's battery, would this drain a battery easily, woudn't have thought it?

Cheers


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on March 12, 2013, 19:31:56
Should be OK as it isn't running for long. No worse than using the electric centre stand.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: julian on March 13, 2013, 07:49:24
It looks like you can get cordless impact wrenches that are 12v and have a 3Ah battery so the X9 one should have no problems powering such a device. I also note that Amazon has a Liftmaster impact wrench that is much higher than 175Nm for £35.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 13, 2013, 08:59:02
Thanks Julian.

Just checked out the Liftmaster and it allows you to set the required torque, as well as being rated at 350 Nm.  It is still a 12V socket/battery device with a 4metre cord and with shipping 38.49.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liftmaster-Impact-Digital-Display-Configuration/dp/B0036YHBMM/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liftmaster-Impact-Digital-Display-Configuration/dp/B0036YHBMM/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp)


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: spannerman on March 13, 2013, 09:26:20
 Remember to let go of the trigger, I started using one, removed my sump plug on the car and dumped most of the oil over the drive, before I could get a container under the car oops. Use with care, once loose the bolt unwinds very quickly.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on March 13, 2013, 09:30:22
Remember to let go of the trigger, I started using one, removed my sump plug on the car and dumped most of the oil over the drive, before I could get a container under the car oops. Use with care, once loose the bolt unwinds very quickly.

Good point.

So is that why Linda bans you from working on bikes in the Lounge now! :huhlol: :whistle:


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 23, 2013, 10:30:24
Oh Bum...

Trashed the scoot last night coming from work, hit gravel mound round a corner.

Speed about 40mph on approach.

Ended up on the traffic island furniture.

engine still running fuel pouring out tried to stand her up and ended up dropping on other side so smashing off the other mirror.

Got her stood after snapping off part of the centre stand.

Drove her the 8 mile home or so then the full pain from the leg lacerations started in earnest and the slight possibility of some break in foot as i was finally unable to stand on it.

So my good lady wife cleaned up the wounds some to asses the damage gave some pain relief and dressed it for taking me to the hospital.

Yes My wife is indeed a nurse, A&E nurse in fact... So a fair few questions when she turned back up at work.... :::lol:::

Well today i need to take off work but need to be back tomorrow for job interview in hope to get off the agency and on there books even if its on same pay for probation period.

So much for never been absent im absent for the day before the interview.... DOH... :headbang:

well i had intended to get the old honda x9 250 fit and sold on but looks like i will be trying to see how many panels actually fit the 500 evo.

Can post pic of the leg straight after the crash if its not viewed as been inappropriate.

Viewed through trouser leg hole....

Oh X-ray showed no break thankfully.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Derek on April 23, 2013, 10:51:35
Glad you survived with relatively minor injuries, the tupperware can be replaced.

The gravel mound, was it an accumulation from winter?

Or had it been offloaded for a specific purpose. If it was on the highway it should have been coned off, road works sign or something to tell you it was there if not you may have a claim


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 23, 2013, 10:56:35
Think it had been a spill from the spread pattern not a huge pile or that may well have simply stopped me.

Lost all traction on a couple of inches spread over a largish area.

Could have been a lot worse especially if the island light bollard had not been there it would have been the steel post that stopped the bike and possibly me but i missed the post by a couple of foot as i went.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 23, 2013, 19:17:32
Well here are some pics.

The handle bars are a little off canter as force of impact must have twisted them when they hit the steering stop before actually shearing the stop.

(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/james_death/frontandside_zps4e9fa82c.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/james_death/media/frontandside_zps4e9fa82c.jpg.html)

(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/james_death/side_zps7be6f0c1.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/james_death/media/side_zps7be6f0c1.jpg.html)



(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/james_death/standanddrivecover_zps774b4179.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/james_death/media/standanddrivecover_zps774b4179.jpg.html)

(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/james_death/tunnel_zpsff7b0377.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/james_death/media/tunnel_zpsff7b0377.jpg.html)

(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/james_death/pics_zpsbe6326a4.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/james_death/media/pics_zpsbe6326a4.jpg.html)

(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/james_death/otherside_zps25d46bfc.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/james_death/media/otherside_zps25d46bfc.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on April 23, 2013, 21:36:03
Time to get spending on Ebay. All main fairing and the grey unpainted panels will fit from any X9, and the rear painted ones and v-panel will fit from any model Evo, so not difficult to source, but the usual footboards on Ebay are often slightly damaged due to a fall and may need to be bought new. Tunnel top is common as are the handlebar covers but the glovebox on the Evo has the seat open button recess the earlier ones don't. I wouldn't bother about the tranny cover until next belt service.
Buy any colours and once you have a full set paint then a colour of your choice.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 23, 2013, 22:00:27
Thanks as ever Dave.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 25, 2013, 06:02:03
Dave the V panel you mention i take it that this is the panel in the fairing?

The one from the honda 250 is what i had fitted anyway the only issue i would see with the V panel is is someone was using the original mirrors possibly.

So the evo rear panels why are they different to the others?

Are they a deeper shoulder?

I see the TNT replacement bodywork at £202 looks well but only small picture and looks like teh fairing although nice does not allow the fitting of indicators in place of the air scoops.

Quality may not be up to usual standard also and actually dont like the hole they have placed either side of the mudguard.

Certainly looks like i will be painting her white sooner than i thought.



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on April 25, 2013, 08:00:43
The upper rear sides are sculpted differently on the Evo as is the battery cover but the old SL ones will physically fit but you would need to keep them in matching pairs.
The main fairing is identical on all models and years but to use Evo mirrors you need the matching vee-panel as again it is sculped to flow into the base of the mirror stems. You can use the older panel but only with SL type mirrors.
The TNT panels will fit any X9 and I think, look really nice having even more agressive styling and a wider range of colours. Probably a cheaper option than even used panels all having to be prepped and resprayed. I'm sure someone on here a long time ago bought a 250SL fitted with them and it had the normal fairing indicators, so I think they will fit.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 25, 2013, 09:35:57
Thanks Dave, the battery cover i had used of the sl for the silver stripe look down the scoot.

That was exactly my feeling about the centre fairing panel the sl mirrors fit fine with the sl centre on the evo as i did but now the mirrors are snapped off.

Interesting about the TNT as the small image makes the air scoops look bigger and not shaped properly for the indicators of the sl to fit.

Only blue or silver kit shown on the well known parts place that i cannot remember the name of.... remember now aj suttons.... ::lol::


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: james_death on April 26, 2013, 07:54:22
Dont have issue with not having seat release button as i never used it, not even sure if it worked.

Always opened with glove box lever or mostly the remote.

Pics didnt work so wont even put that back on.

Probably will transfer all of the 250 sl for speed.

Possibly take time getting other bits as wanted to go white with her and so she should wear the non matched panels im likely to get.

Could not find any better pics or other suppliers of the tnt panels as would be good to see a scoot with them on.

Oh the headlight backing is cracked and the lower mount snapped off, so looks like i really do need to get the sl lights wired up for the evo.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on August 23, 2013, 14:17:32

Just checked out the Liftmaster and it allows you to set the required torque, as well as being rated at 350 Nm.  It is still a 12V socket/battery device with a 4metre cord and with shipping 38.49.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liftmaster-Impact-Digital-Display-Configuration/dp/B0036YHBMM/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liftmaster-Impact-Digital-Display-Configuration/dp/B0036YHBMM/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp)

Sorry for the thread hijack but we were discussing Impact Wrenches as part of this a little while back and I now need to make a decision/purchase.  I need to change the belt/rollers on the Honda SH125 and have a quandry, that's code for "help please Dave!"

Having checked the Haynes, the torque value for the 19mm nut is only 59Nm and the Liftmaster with adjustable Torque setting only has a range of 80 to 350Nm.

So the question is, if I buy and use this and have it set at 80Nm how likely is it to do any damage when it should only be 59Nm?

The cheaper options (Clarke & Max-Pro) have no adjustment and are rated as "up to 170Nm", so I'm thinking a little too dangerous to risk.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on August 23, 2013, 15:32:39
The torque of 59Nm will probably be with the variator fixed by a locking device, so all torque is directly onto the nut.
Using an impact wrench with the variator free to spin, a lot of the torque is lost. If you take the plug out so the motor turns freely, even more of the torque will be absorbed.
Using an impact gut at 80Nm and stop as soon as the shaft turns will probably be fine. Keeping it on and knocking the nut round will definitely over tighten it.
Is the Honda locking tool expensive to buy and do it with a normal torque wrench?

Actually with the spark plug out, see how easy the gun removes the nut. If it struggles, increase the setting until it budges it, and that gives you an idea how much torque is lost by the turning of the shaft. Whatever setting the gun needs to undo the nut with a free spinning engine is what it needs to replace it.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: poldark on August 23, 2013, 16:12:40
Just rang Firstline Honda who said you'll wait weeks it's about 60 pounds and most people just use an impact wrench!

The bonus is the wrench would be useful to have for other things, but clearly I could just attempt to make a holding tool and as you say use a (borrowed) torque wrench.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: unchained on August 24, 2013, 08:21:54
That is the same impact wrench that I bought and it did a very good job on the 500, at 160Nm though.

Bob


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on August 24, 2013, 09:05:46
If you make a holding tool make sure it supports the shaft solidly otherwise some of the leverage applied bends the shaft. This probably doesn't stay permanent, it's just flexing, but it loads the oil seal and any bending of what is actually the crankshaft, is best avoided. If you look at the genuine Piaggio 500 tool, it supports the variator by locking it to the engine casing in two places so the high torque doesn't flex the crankshaft.
That's why those cheap holding tools that just wedge the variator are not a good idea.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: The Bern on August 24, 2013, 12:28:28
I made this for my Silver Wing .. (http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb379/gypsy-rogue-account/Silver%20Wing/DSCF0080_zps022b3cdd.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/gypsy-rogue-account/media/Silver%20Wing/DSCF0080_zps022b3cdd.jpg.html)
 .. bit of flat steel,big hole for socket,two bolt holes for fly wheel & two bolt holes to fix it to the casing using long bolts & spacer tubes.
Made pretty & lighter also machined stand offs finished item looks like ..(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb379/gypsy-rogue-account/Silver%20Wing/DSCF0089_zps1df89621.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/gypsy-rogue-account/media/Silver%20Wing/DSCF0089_zps1df89621.jpg.html)

Anyone near me (Telford) with some time to spare on a weekday & fancies seeing if it will fit X9 & if not then modify the design so it does,then get a drawing with dimensions post in here ?


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on August 24, 2013, 18:03:50
That looks like a very good piece of work.
Bob's the nearest to you also in Telford. Maybe between you, you can work something out.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: The Bern on August 24, 2013, 20:26:29
Cheers Dave :)

If Bob has anytime available during the day I'm sure that something can be designed along the same lines that can be made by any member with a hacksaw & drill


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: unchained on August 25, 2013, 08:10:26
Good idea Bern but which X9 were you thinking of modifying it too?
The 125 and 250 evo's don't have holes in the pulley so use a locking tool around the starter ring teeth.
The 500's have square cut outs in the centre ring rather than holes in the pulley, a tool could be made from some tube steel filed down leaving the square teeth then welded to a similar length of bar but it would not be as simple as yours.
That leaves the 250 Honda's and I have already posted a design for a locking tool for them with dimensions:
http://www.x9ownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21251.0 (http://www.x9ownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21251.0).

Where in Telford are you anyway?

Bob



Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: Dave Milnes on August 25, 2013, 08:40:08
The 500 would be the obvious candidate as it's the least easy to get the nut off.


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: The Bern on August 25, 2013, 08:58:53
Hi Bob,like that tool for the 250 if I had seen it earlier the same basic design would have worked for the S'wing,500 sounds like an interesting project,I am home during the day most weekdays,I'm in Wellington between The Wickets & The Buckatree


Title: Re: Latest Purchase X9 Evo 500 2005 reg
Post by: The Bern on August 25, 2013, 09:08:34
Hi Dave,yep 500 seems the one to go at & try to design some thing that can be made by most people with a basic toolkit (hacksaw,vice,drill,etc),initial thought is a flat plate with a big hole then drill & tap for the locating pins (file the thread off to form the locating/holding pin) then long bolts & spacers to fix to the casing.